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using AVI formats in C4D
Posted: 15 December 2014 11:07 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Hi folks, I am doing a tutorial, with a video that will have 3D model superimposed over the video -the instructor suggests that I convert the mp4 format to AVI, since in C4D sometimes the mp4 or Quicktime lags a bit, as the instructor says-when I load the video as a texture to use on background object, it does not load , please tell me what I am doing wrong?, thanks

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Posted: 16 December 2014 12:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Hi Craig,

I don’t know the tutorial. If you take the advice from the Help Content “This format can be read and written only under Windows.” {… read more, it goes on about the limitations!}
[Reference> CINEMA 4D> CINEMA 4D Prime> Appendix> File Formats]

If superimposed is meant to be only during the “work in progress” time, ignore my advice below for now. If it stays in the final image, read on.

In other words, in the moment you like to exchange that file with any other OS you are in for some more or less intensive fixing. If the author is not aware of that, nor that it is a a strong limitation overall, what else is s/he missing?

IF you have a compressed QT, and just to write it again in an other compression format has NEVER improved the image quality. The opposite is most likely the case.

Using QT movies in C4D is as simple as easy, as long as you have installed a proper version of QuickTime. However, if I have a large amount of clips for textures, make certain that ONLY image sequences are used. They need only a frame at the time. Further more, any movie/clip format that uses any temporal compression methods might create trouble soon or later.

AVI are only supported in 3*8bit/channel (some call them 24bit…). Used as final deliver format that might be OK in some rare cases, but to use anything 8bit/channel inside of C4D is from my point of view not even broadcast ready, and should be avoided. Some old-timers will tell you otherwise, but check with the station you deliver, 10bit/c delivery is simply the lowest standard.

It is a longer story, but if you can get OpenEXR sequences directly from camera raw (e.g., RED), use them, your production will benefit from it. Again, the source must be good, just to wrap it in EXR will do nothing.

If you can get only 8bit, you might use jpg sequences—but that is not advised really from my side, but better than highly compressed movie clips of any sort. If JPG, make certain to get at least 100% quality/compression, and 1.5 times [min] higher in resolution than later visible in the picture. Which means you might need 4K+ to feed HD even or worse. Also here, a JPG sequence must come from a better source. Do not convert a compressed 8bit movie file, the quality will not improve. If you come even from different color spaces, even REC709 to sRGB can harm your quality, hence the 8bit/c nonsense as source material is a bad idea to start with.

I can’t tell you anything about the tutorial you do, but, stay critical with the information you absorb.

Why I am pushing it, quality wise? Because we all know that with 4K/UHD comes REC2020 (hdr as well) and that will have a color space way beyond REC709. Guess who’s work will look really bad? With that, many clients might be really upset when they “look bad” on the screen. Think about all the green tones we get with it; The fine textures in green areas that were so far just sucked up or lets just say clipped to death in REC 709. Etc, etc, etc. Anyone who tells you 8 bit and sRGB are just fine, well: run, which is old news of course—since over a decade. To re-render and change everything might be not in the budget. To keep clients one should have the data in the best way, and that is certainly not 8bit/c. Just saying, and I do it since a while. I certainly know who will keep their clients in the future: the one who can easily deliver an update. Enough said. Period.

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Sassi

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Posted: 16 December 2014 01:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Thanks Dr. Sassi for your in depth reply-( it’s,  late shouldn’t you be relaxing with a pint ? ; ) ) I had wanted to use this video for an animation promo for myself- was hesitant because the instructor said in C4d, there might be a lag, ie when an arm in the video moves, my skeleton model should be in sync with that movement. So, if I use it and there is some lag, maybe I can either disguise it w/blur, low contrast, or not use it. Thank you for the time that you put in to educate me, Happy holidays, CZ

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Posted: 16 December 2014 01:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Hi Craig,

You’re welcome. (Edit: sorry, I think I repeated myself here [#9]: http://www.cineversity.com/forums/viewthread/1010/  /edit)

Hehe, Pint. I think the last one I got was in London. Good old times. Thanks for the hint. ;o)

I write in a forum for the one who ask and I try to be broader than I think that the one who asked needs it—as others read it as well. I’m not a friend of these short and cryptic “you know” replies. I rather over-deliver than keep it cryptic. I want for everyone success.

Check in the material>Texture>Animation: exact frame. I have attached a little clip with numbers, so you can check. Perhaps you create your own test file, in size and frame rate to really see what is going on with your set up, if someone can you supply doubts ... :o) It is simple to do in After Effects. Put text and time code etc in it, all what could show a problem. It helps as well sometimes to solve sync problems.

In the Material “Editor” channel you have certainly set to Animation Preview.

If you prepare QT clips, make certain that you use Key-frames on each frame. This sets “I” (full information) frames on each frames instead of fractures information [etc] in the frames between. In a nutshell, perhaps you know it.

All the best

Sassi

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