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Connect balloons to strings (hair)
Posted: 14 June 2022 05:45 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Hii! I have a question, i just followed a tutorial of how to make dynamic balloons, i followed every step but the ends of my balloons wont connect to the strings. Does anyone know how i can fix this?

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Posted: 15 June 2022 04:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Hi 0337396,

You give me very little to work with, to create something that would work for you. I have no idea what tutorial you have watched. So, let me share the following.

I assume you have used the search here in the forum and got to this thread:
https://www.cineversity.com/forums/viewthread/2974/

Since we have a new Rope/Simulation System, time to put this to work as well for this:
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/f7Zzce6mV6kuwVRWTzrvhMD7Wxqm5KJgmSKyknyBovB

Please note that I have set the Iteration and Substeps higher.
Attribute manager> Mode> Project> Simulation> …

Please let me know if this works for you!

All the best

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Posted: 15 June 2022 04:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Dr. Sassi - 15 June 2022 04:00 AM

Hi 0337396,

You give me very little to work with, to create something that would work for you. I have no idea what tutorial you have watched. So, let me share the following.

I assume you have used the search here in the forum and got to this thread:
https://www.cineversity.com/forums/viewthread/2974/

Since we have a new Rope/Simulation System, time to put this to work as well for this:
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/f7Zzce6mV6kuwVRWTzrvhMD7Wxqm5KJgmSKyknyBovB

Please note that I have set the Iteration and Substeps higher.
Attribute manager> Mode> Project> Simulation> …

Please let me know if this works for you!

All the best


Hi! Yeah sorry for that. I used this tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibNLeK0-dD8

I get a bit of a weird result and it is buggy. also the hairs won’t attach to the balloon so it is just random balloons doing random thing with random strings around it haha. The c4d file that you sent me is great but how can I do this x10000? I indeed want to achieve the same as the thread you mentioned but I am not really wiser haha. here is my project file, maybe you can take a look at it.

https://www.amazon.de/clouddrive/share/754hf8mNaxkLiRuEBLt3NssAoDRhTMjG6kiKRCQ7H3P

Thanks!

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Posted: 15 June 2022 05:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Hi 0337396,

Thanks for the file and for using Amazon Cloud services.

In Hair, you can use a balloon as an Instance and go from there. But 10,000?
Here is a sketch with Hair and Instances. Not seriously (!), as I will explain below.
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/ocamY5gDzbK7pKNbA9YeXytn63Ql5XFBbdrSKz3gjRe

Doing this professionally, and I assume you are used to working in that way, would require a script/storyboard, so it is clear what shots you need from the setup. Just throwing 10,000 objects, polygons, and splines+ into dynamic and hoping that will sort itself out is not the way to go. At least not from my point of view. That is not efficient and hard to art direct.

What do you like to express? If you have 10K balloons, most of them might not be visible if they are in a cluster (as in your file), so why bother with around 80%-90% of them dynamically? I assume we are targeting visible results.

Brainstorming here (as it is close to midnight): Perhaps place some planes in space and animate them, then use those planes to clone Balloons on them, perhaps with a Random Effector and a Push-Apart Effector to keep them separate.

This would be a rig that is easy to manage and change. Add, as mentioned, some “scamp-ballons” into the mix, perhaps some “escaping balloons”, and it should work. You might want to tell a story, and a few balloons manually animated in the company of the big cluster will do that.

All the best

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Posted: 15 June 2022 04:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Dr. Sassi - 15 June 2022 05:57 AM

Hi 0337396,

Thanks for the file and for using Amazon Cloud services.

In Hair, you can use a balloon as an Instance and go from there. But 10,000?
Here is a sketch with Hair and Instances. Not seriously (!), as I will explain below.
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/ocamY5gDzbK7pKNbA9YeXytn63Ql5XFBbdrSKz3gjRe

Doing this professionally, and I assume you are used to working in that way, would require a script/storyboard, so it is clear what shots you need from the setup. Just throwing 10,000 objects, polygons, and splines+ into dynamic and hoping that will sort itself out is not the way to go. At least not from my point of view. That is not efficient and hard to art direct.

What do you like to express? If you have 10K balloons, most of them might not be visible if they are in a cluster (as in your file), so why bother with around 80%-90% of them dynamically? I assume we are targeting visible results.

Brainstorming here (as it is close to midnight): Perhaps place some planes in space and animate them, then use those planes to clone Balloons on them, perhaps with a Random Effector and a Push-Apart Effector to keep them separate.

This would be a rig that is easy to manage and change. Add, as mentioned, some “scamp-ballons” into the mix, perhaps some “escaping balloons”, and it should work. You might want to tell a story, and a few balloons manually animated in the company of the big cluster will do that.

All the best

Hi!!
Thanks for your answer.
10.000 was just a random number. I just want to tell the story so 100 balloons or something will do. I just want the balloons attached to the hairs and it has to look a like the strings are attached to the chimney. like this but with less balloons:
https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Up-House.jpg

If there’s another way to get it like this then please tell me because I really don’t know how I can do it. I want kind of the effect of my file but with the balloons attached to the strings and not random floating balloons and random strings. In the file you sent me the balloon cluster is a bit too round, I want them going up instead of round. (also when I try to make the hairs longer in your file, the balloons deform. idk what I can do haha)

Thanks for your response and your help already!!

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Posted: 16 June 2022 06:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Hi 0337396,

Here is my version, with around 1700 balloons.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/fKu8nmvso1FR5eOkIOfDMhWQpB1jWUujVwcwbLKyIEL

Yes, no balloons in the center, a sphere with a colorful texture will do, but it is past midnight after a long day, so I leave that detail to you. wink

Enjoy.

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Posted: 16 June 2022 06:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Dr. Sassi - 16 June 2022 06:13 AM

Hi 0337396,

Here is my version, with around 1700 balloons.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/fKu8nmvso1FR5eOkIOfDMhWQpB1jWUujVwcwbLKyIEL

Yes, no balloons in the center, a sphere with a colorful texture will do, but it is past midnight after a long day, so I leave that detail to you. wink

Enjoy.


Holy shit.
Thank you so much for helping me out!!! I will look in to this but thank you for all your help!

Wish you all the best!

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Posted: 16 June 2022 03:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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You’re very welcome, 0337396.

Enjoy

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