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Extended Discussion: Self-Building Roman Pillar, Part 03b: Building Using Fields and Freeze Layer Growth
Posted: 06 May 2020 06:59 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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Hello,

I made the pillar using a different way and now I’m having trouble with the “compensating the plain effector” part (1:30). The blocks’ size can’t be scaled back with the value given in the video.

Here is my file: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1c1okf9Thqiqf0MHb8_JXAPISzOXIcyBU
The samples that was used to create my pillars is sorted in the “backups” group which is hidden in the viewport by the layer setting.

By the way, I wish I have found the “Demystifying Fields” tutorials sooner.

Thank you.

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Posted: 06 May 2020 07:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Edit: The 0.5 value have no effect on the fracture object so I had to apply it to each block but the result isn’t perfectly match.

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Posted: 06 May 2020 05:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Hi huanle5062,

Thanks for the file, very much appreciated.

Your set up would not work, as it is different from the start. This is not a problem with the scale numbers given in the tutorial.

Perhaps try this to start with.
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/PF46bxnrlmmprOBCo69AGqEYzY32T6jausXEjHz7jsu

The Grow effect will be minimal if you intend to use the Linear falloff with it.

I have moved the thread to the Q&A forum. The Tutorial Forum is for questions that are based on the content of that tutorial. Not to explore any alternatives. For that, the Q&A forum is provided.

Think about having a question about a tutorial, and then have to read through something completely different. I hope that makes sense.

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Posted: 07 May 2020 02:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Dr. Sassi - 06 May 2020 05:39 PM

Hi huanle5062,

Thanks for the file, very much appreciated.

Your set up would not work, as it is different from the start. This is not a problem with the scale numbers given in the tutorial.

Perhaps try this to start with.
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/PF46bxnrlmmprOBCo69AGqEYzY32T6jausXEjHz7jsu

The Grow effect will be minimal if you intend to use the Linear falloff with it.

I have moved the thread to the Q&A forum. The Tutorial Forum is for questions that are based on the content of that tutorial. Not to explore any alternatives. For that, the Q&A forum is provided.

Think about having a question about a tutorial, and then have to read through something completely different. I hope that makes sense.

All the best

Thank you Dr. Sassi.

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Posted: 07 May 2020 02:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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You’re very welcome, huanle5062, thanks for your reply.

I was looking forward to your reply if you had ideas for some changes. Obviously, it works. So I’m not sure if you have an interest in the version below.

Project file:
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/dHWD3RaQUYzDSNhMMfdKEfeH6Z87pnNzkQJlzuxKXwz

The critical problem that Darrin solved in the 3b part, is based on the missing option to shrink (the opposite of growing in the fields. His tutorial starts with an overall complete (step-wise) scale down of all chunks and then scales them back to full size. Which is undoubtedly a smart way to do it.

The file above shows a different approach. It placed the MoGraph Weight Tag #1 into Weight Tag #2 and just inverted it. This Weight Tag is then used in the Plain Effector.

Enjoy your exploration, and thanks for being not upset based on moving this post to the Q&A, very much appreciated.

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Posted: 07 May 2020 03:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Dr. Sassi - 07 May 2020 02:56 AM

You’re very welcome, huanle5062, thanks for your reply.

I was looking forward to your reply if you had ideas for some changes. Obviously, it works. So I’m not sure if you have an interest in the version below.

Project file:
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/dHWD3RaQUYzDSNhMMfdKEfeH6Z87pnNzkQJlzuxKXwz

The critical problem that Darrin solved in the 3b part, is based on the missing option to shrink (the opposite of growing in the fields. His tutorial starts with an overall complete (step-wise) scale down of all chunks and then scales them back to full size. Which is undoubtedly a smart way to do it.

The file above shows a different approach. It placed the MoGraph Weight Tag #1 into Weight Tag #2 and just inverted it. This Weight Tag is then used in the Plain Effector.

Enjoy your exploration, and thanks for being not upset based on moving this post to the Q&A, very much appreciated.

Cheers

I was about to come here and say sorry because my question was a stupid question. Actually it works, I just used the wrong tab. In the video Mr. Frankovitz used the Transform tab, I used the Coord tab. I’ve checked that again and it does work. My appologize for the false problem.

Thank you Dr. Sassi.

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Posted: 07 May 2020 03:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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You’re very welcome, huanle5062, the file that I got had the chunks apart from the start.

There is no stupid question, and we all sometimes need a moment to find the right “why”. I’m glad you found it. (There is certainly no need for a sorry, but thanks for being thoughtful)

Have you explored the last example, is it useful to you?

Enjoy.

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Posted: 07 May 2020 03:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Dr. Sassi - 07 May 2020 03:20 AM

You’re very welcome, huanle5062, the file that I got had the chunks apart from the start.

There is no stupid question, and we all sometimes need a moment to find the right “why”. I’m glad you found it. (There is certainly no need for a sorry, but thanks for being thoughtful)

Have you explored the last example, is it useful to you?

Enjoy.

I was checking your file and it’s surely helpful. It would take a while for me to understand these tags, I’ll try to research myself first before asking any question. I also paused learning the pillar tutorials to learn the fields topic by Mr. Pozantzis first.

Thank you Dr. Sassi.

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Posted: 07 May 2020 03:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Thanks for taking the time, huanle5062.

Enjoy the Field Series, it is undoubtedly a significant knowledge to gain.

Yes, please take all the time you like. Let me know if there is anything else, I’m happy to look into it.

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Posted: 23 October 2020 01:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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In the “Self-Building Roman Pillar, Part 03b: Building Using Fields and Freeze Layer Growth” segment, a Delay Effector is added to the Plain Effector at 06:38. Adjustments are made to the Effect Strength tab, and adding a Random Field w/Noise in the Subfields area.

I am using R23, and do not see an “Effect Strength” tab for the Delay Effector when it is applied as a field layer within the Plain Effector. Is there an alternate way to do this with R23? I tried putting the Delay Effector and a Radom Effector field in a Folder, but couldn’t get it to replicate the results in the tutorial.

I will study the “Demystifying Fields” tutorial next, as this will likely explain a lot that I am missing.

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Posted: 23 October 2020 05:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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Hi Dave,

I would not dismiss the Delay Effector just because there is a Delay Field. They are both useful.
Let me explain.

The Delay Effector takes the change on the clone as information to work with. That means all changes that happened to the point when the Delay Effector gets to work. Everything after it, no effect.

The Delay Field works in the list only; whatever happens below that list is of interest to this one. Anything above it is ignored.

You might already see that this will lead to something different in most cases.

So both are dependent on their position in the information flow.
But the Delay field repeats what happens in the list. This means if only one Effector is used, the result should be similar. Here is your question.

In R23, you will find in the Layers Tab the Effect strength slider; see the image.
To apply the Random Field to the Delay Field only, make the Random Field a child of that Effect Strength “Folder”.

Make sure the Delay is set to Spring.

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Posted: 23 October 2020 05:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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Dr. Sassi,

Thanks for the very prompt reply! I will go back to this exercise and review your suggestions. I may have confused the Delay Effector with the Delay Field.

I am working through the “Demystifying Fields” videos, and learning a lot. Amazing and powerful stuff.

BTW, I did receive an email notification of your response. Thanks again!

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Posted: 23 October 2020 06:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Hi Dave, (or is it dave?)

Thanks a lot. I don’t think that you have confused the two; at least that was not what I tried to say. It was more important to me to show that perhaps, sometimes, the Delay effector has advantages.

I never answer from memory, even if it is tempting. But as you can see, the changes are obvious. So, to catch always, these are only acknowledged fully if set up new and checked again.

If there is anything else, please let me know. I’m happy to look into it.

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Posted: 25 October 2020 03:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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P.S.: I think this is the smallest, yet clearest side by side, to demo the difference between the Delay Effector and the Delay Field.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/hJcEgOpiPvmPsSqUijfmYP97tTJ8OcozdBKZeE398nx

Note that the previous change in position is not recognized with the Field-based Delay.

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